Pegasus
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Post by Pegasus on May 7, 2006 20:28:08 GMT
[shadow=black,left,900]Oh go on then! As long as it really is spoiler free, and not in the slightest related to anything you've heard/read. You've scared me a bit with all your research and reading. & nope I've not heard of never mind read the book you mentioned. Are you watching 1st look on E4 as well Sus? (I'd guess there'd be no way of stopping you!) Anyway better leave the numbers alone now just in case. how old is Kate do we think, do we know? [/shadow] Nope, haven't seen ep 3 yet, cos I've got E4+1, so the third ep wasn't on until 1am, and I was already shattered from my LOST marathon. Think Kate is meant to be about 23, isn't she? Though I probably got that from the DVD extras, and when Jack first met her I thought she was in her thirties. Okay then, my theory... (honestly, haven't read any spoilers, although I did check cast on IMDb, which I advise anyone else against doing!!) I reckon that down the hatch is the control centre for the 'real world', which is actually a massive experiment, maybe a race that's gone wrong and needs to be 'quarantined'. This would explain certain anomalies, like Walt's apparent psychic ability and the precognition of various people. The numbers could perhaps be co-ordinates on a larger scale... not co-ordinates on Earth, but the spatial co-ordinates of this particular experiment. Hmm, don't feel I'm explaining this very well. It all made some sort of sense when I cam up with it yesterday.
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Post by Folie á Deux on May 7, 2006 23:31:55 GMT
Nope, haven't seen ep 3 yet, cos I've got E4+1, so the third ep wasn't on until 1am [shadow=black,left,900]You should have E4 too if you have freeview. E4+1 just runs the same schedule but one hour behind. E4 should be channel 14. I've mixed up the line between eps now, and have still not managed to get round to recapping on S2 so far, therefore will be shutting my mouth at least until then and prob till you've caught up on Tues. [/shadow]
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Post by Pegasus on May 8, 2006 11:01:07 GMT
I'm missing a lot of channels on freeview. Think I've currently got BBC1-4 and News 24, E4+1, Sky3 and news, UK History, CBBC and sometimes CBeebies, and a couple other trashy channels. Don't have C4, E4 or any ITV channels at all. I splashed out the extra for the Sony box cos a lot of reviews said how good it was and how many folks didn't have to upgrade their aerials, but looks like I'm gonna need to get a new aerial to get all the channels. I tried a set-top wideband aerial, but it didn't really help. I've been boarding the loft recently, which is where my aerial is, and it's got moved fractionally a couple of times, which has had a dramatic (usually negative) effect on reception. I'm dying to rewatch S1 (and see the bits the scratched DVDs cut out!). Keep checking the S1 price, but I'm definitely gonna have to get my car fixed, so first things first. If only I'd got into Lost before I spent all my birthday money on the X Files sets.
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Post by jennymulder on May 8, 2006 11:03:29 GMT
Hey Sussy - love that theory!! Was thinking on what we were talking about yesterday - became pretty sure that the Island must be like a parralel universe style thing - which must mean that the plane somehow crossed worlds (woah bit of Deep Secret going on here!;-D), during the storm (if there was one - waa too many eps ago!) and would explain why no one's come looking for them! Also would link to Des's mentioning of "another life" - makes me think that possibly Desmond on the island is a parralel Desmond to the one in the stadium - explaining why he didn't react to Jack in the same way that Jack reacted to him. And yeah I picked up on the "omg maybe they're brothers!" thing but thought I'd drop it before I confused myself even more LOL! ;-D Link to Krycek calling Mulder brother?? LOL Your idea of it being a quarantine makes so much more sense though! Seems the most plausible way of linking the variety of characters with the quarantine - sort of like therapy? But is Desmond putting on an act then by seeming quite confused himself? LOL i just thought of something - Des in the flashback really reminded me of an angel ... maybe he's 'God'! That is soo corny LOL! Anyway, what I was coming to is that maybe the reason they've been seperated and put on the island is not just to maintain order in the "real world", but also to sort out the "him" - possibly the one with the most powers or capability, for whatever reason? The others - controllers of the world? hehe Okay millions of ideas but am going to have to think about them a bit longer One night to go! Love, JM:)
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Post by Pegasus on May 8, 2006 11:25:49 GMT
Hey Sussy - love that theory!! Was thinking on what we were talking about yesterday - became pretty sure that the Island must be like a parralel universe style thing - which must mean that the plane somehow crossed worlds (woah bit of Deep Secret going on here!;-D), during the storm (if there was one - waa too many eps ago!) and would explain why no one's come looking for them! Also would link to Des's mentioning of "another life" - makes me think that possibly Desmond on the island is a parralel Desmond to the one in the stadium - explaining why he didn't react to Jack in the same way that Jack reacted to him. And yeah I picked up on the "omg maybe they're brothers!" thing but thought I'd drop it before I confused myself even more LOL! ;-D Link to Krycek calling Mulder brother?? LOL Your idea of it being a quarantine makes so much more sense though! Seems the most plausible way of linking the variety of characters with the quarantine - sort of like therapy? But is Desmond putting on an act then by seeming quite confused himself? LOL i just thought of something - Des in the flashback really reminded me of an angel ... maybe he's 'God'! That is soo corny LOL! Anyway, what I was coming to is that maybe the reason they've been seperated and put on the island is not just to maintain order in the "real world", but also to sort out the "him" - possibly the one with the most powers or capability, for whatever reason? The others - controllers of the world? hehe Okay millions of ideas but am going to have to think about them a bit longer One night to go! Love, JM:) Ooh, lots to think about there, sister! Ah, the parallel universe theory. ;D You should also read DWJ's A Sudden Wild Magic some time soon - lots more about parallel universes and the link to Earth there, which fits in well with this Lost theory (more ideas formulating!) Plus you will never look at pylons the same way again. There was something odd about Desmond in the flashback, especially the way he appeared quite suddenly. I don't think he is 'god' but maybe that's who he is looking for? Although I'm inclined to think that the 'him' he refers to is actually some kind of key. The question is whether 'he' will be used as a force for good or evil?! I reckon the others are definitely pirates! But what exactly they are pirating and where they are originally from is the real question. Hey, this should be my 50th post, so I'm looking forward to a shiny new star!
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Post by jennymulder on May 8, 2006 15:16:46 GMT
Congratulations on your 50th Sus! (LOL didn't expect to be saying that so soon! ;-D) And congratulations on two years exacatactly since we last met Gillian Anderson! Not very LOST related but hey! Had forgotten about the pirates - Rich definitely justified that by pointing out that Sawyer was singing redemption song - and there's the obvious link to the Black Rock. Hmm pirates - what have I learnt from my book - they're out for a life without rules (yep that's the island LOL!) - or should I say, their own rules - and of course richery! I'm thinking this parralel world idea could really work - or even just a part that's hidden from the rest of the world, in order to fit with your theory - and say the plane and the pirates on the Black Pearl found a kind of loophole (wow bit of Harry Potter coming into this as well now LOL!) to get through to the island, which would make escaping it veery hard. My crazy Desmond idea that I refrained from telling last time (Wiggy look out - cheese!) was that Flashback Desmond was sort of one of Island Desmond's men/angels (!) - like you said, he came too suddenly and just seemed so ideal. In LOTF the idea is that the island reflects the true world outside, so Flashback Desmond could also represent the character of faith in Jack's life (Simon in LOTF), who I think is represented by Locke on the island Hmm still no further.... if Desmond really was controlling the world/island - wouldn't he know more than he does, rather than asking Locke whether everyone is healed? Makes it seem like the experiment is more on him than on the other Islanders. Wonder whether the reason he's hiding under the ground is because the Others (who seem to infect people somehow by what Danielle said) are above ground? Maybe all the trouble on the island started when someone accidentally arrived on the island - say the whole island was Quarantined due to the curse of the numbers, but Desmond is there to guard it, with his controls from below acting as the security system. What if someone, Danielle, the pirates, or even Hurley's friend, managed to get through, and brought the numbers back into the real world, so causing a sort of unbalance like in Hurley's bad luck streak. Maybe it's all a play on fate? That would link with Locke's beliefs and loosely to the fact it's based on LOTF. Maybe the numbers sort of control this, and can turn fate from luck to bad luck? Lalala more questions! Catch you later... brother! JM:)
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Post by Folie á Deux on May 9, 2006 20:40:45 GMT
Hey, I've caught up! Can't believe how few LOST theories are here though. [shadow=black,left,900]Oh dear! Just remember everyone, she asked for it. *points finger at Sus*Right then... I don't like the other dimension type theory, not quite sure why, but think it's something to do with The Ireland feeling too real, to be other/different worldly, even thought it is a completely wacko place to be. Also I don't want our survivors to be that lost, would seem to me there'd be no chance of ever being found or getting back if it was something as out there that. I'd much rather think that The Ireland is of our world and reality. & Here's my explanation of how the place can be so completely bonkers and still be somehow ours. It's that big feck off electromagnet which is under the ground, the one which is making compasses not point north, & the one which can lift a key from around the neck of Jack as he passes. I suspect there is a very large magnet, or lots of linked magnets stationed at points all over The Ireland. Perhaps the magnets purpose is not quite the same as it's effect, I think it's influencing and maybe even amplifying certain qualities of the Survivors psyches & memories. Exhibited in premonitions of all sorts from many different people, Jack's images of his father, Locke's of Boone & the plane crash, Walt's repeated flashes of things, 'Don't open it Mr. Locke' and most recently Shannon's flash of Walt. Maybe it's also connected the flashbacks could a magnetic field be, stimulating, causing and perhaps even slightly altering memory? Just been having a look online for some material about Magnetic Fields, after I started thinking about this as I watched the 1st two S2 eps last night, and it seems may be possible. Dude, check this is from - R. G. Bickford (1987) One very promising avenue for influencing the living brain has emerged in the last decade, based on the use of pulsed magnetic fields.
The skull is a good insulator, and past efforts to alter the electrical activity happening inside it have required high voltages, with little opportunity for fine control or focus of the effects. Consider instead how easily a magnet under a wooden tabletop can move a pin on the surface - magnetic fields pass almost unaffected through insulators, including the skull.
...affecting neurons inside the head requires a lot of magnetic force to be changed very quickly, and the technology to do this has only been around for about a decade. The first trans-cranial magnetic stimulationp (TMS) machines, capable of delivering a pulse every three seconds, were developed as diagnostic aids for neurologists. For instance, the motor part of the brain can be stimulated, inducing a twitch of the thumb, which tells a neurologist that the intervening nerve pathways are intact. Machines are now available which can give up to 50 stimuli per second (rapid-rate TMS, or rTMS) and their effects are more interesting. Among a wide range of possibilities, it is believed that rTMS may have a place in the treatment of some mental illnesses. It is a non-invasive technique, apparently free of serious side-effects, capable of modifying the activity of specific brain areas.Sounds about right to me, I might just be tempted to read more about this in other articles. It might also fit in with the Security System, I think we've spoken about this before, and hypothesised that it might be inducing visions in those who encounter it, based on Locke's differing reactions to seeing it twice, in different circumstances, each seemed to be very different. Would make a very effective deterrent encountering something which'll scare the shit out of you if you keep perusing the course of action which set the system off... What this has to do with quarantine and contagion may have to wait till later this evening, like I said perhaps it's not Magnet's primary function to induce such a wide range of effects, but perhaps it's side effects are many and varying from the original experiment being conducted on The Ireland.[/shadow]
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Post by jennymulder on May 9, 2006 22:25:16 GMT
Hey Andy, I'm up to date!! Yep, having now seen episode three I agree it can't be a parralel world, as they siad the experiment was lead from Michigan etc. Magnetic idea works really well, and as you said could be creating these images they're having - but what if it's like treatment? Like Sus said, maybe they've all been chosen for this island because they're all a bit different and possibly this place could be trying to treat them, so the above world is quarantined but one person is needed below in order to keep the experiment running. I'm convinced Hurley's mate from the psych ward was on number shift once you know - would explain his current state and obsession with the numbers!! I really thought Jack was right and the idea of the world coming to an end is just put in their mind - cos in a way it's quite possible that the experiment described by the Hanso/Dharma peeps (I only watchedit once briefly!) could just as easily be on him. Possibly to study his sort of mental capacity etc to keep it going. But as they've got a load of weirdo's above ground (our plane crew and of course the newbie "Others!"), the idea could be that if no one was there to control them anymore, by pressing the buttons, then in order to stop the experiment from going wrong and the subjectees getting out, the whole place blows up to hide every trace of it? Hmm more to think about.... tomorrow Love, JM:)
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Post by Pegasus on May 9, 2006 22:27:57 GMT
Yup, judging by ep 3 tonight, there is a very strong magnet that plays an important role. I'd been thinking that the place was one of several 'stations', but I was thinking on a larger scale than just on this island. Judging by the whole Hanso thing, it suggests there is/was some kind of experiment going on. Hanso claim to be working to help the developing world and also on 'life extension' programmes. What is currently pissing me off is that suddenly there's a convenient door out of the apartment down the hatch, yet no-one noticed it before! And we don't get to see it either. I wonder if Hurley's 'bad luck' with the numbers is because he was meant to take over the job of keeping the clock resetting, but somehow dodged fate previously (maybe by being sent to a mental institution)? I'm sure I'll come up with more soon! Still feel there's currently too many flashbacks and not enough action! Reckon I'm gonna have to stay up to watch ep 4 on E4+1 at midnight.
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Post by Pegasus on May 9, 2006 22:34:25 GMT
the idea could be that if no one was there to control them anymore, by pressing the buttons, then in order to stop the experiment from going wrong and the subjectees getting out, the whole place blows up to hide every trace of it? There's a thought. Desmond still hasn't explained how he ended up on the island though, has he? And if 'the world will end' then what is the point in running away, and where does he think he's going to get to from there? Why didn't they try asking him where the hell the island is?!
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Post by Folie á Deux on May 9, 2006 23:46:40 GMT
[shadow=black,left,900]I don't know, I just think the backgrounds of everyone who's ended up there are too random for them to have been, in any way preselected, to end up on The Ireland. I think they're there by chance alone, but maybe, just maybe there is still that common link for all of them. Contradiction I know, but just what my gut's telling me. Maybe I like the idea of fate even less than Jack does. Yes, Hanso seems to have been involved in a very diverse and large scale experiment, which we know bog all about at the moment. But the only information we have is prob going to come from this project (There's got to be more information hidden in that station, it's not done with it's secrets and revelations just yet, no way), or from the Hanso Foundation line, really must call that soon LOL Not too bothered about the hatch apartment's front door, what would the sense be of having such a place with only one entrance/exit - seems to me the hatch would be an emergency exit only. The hatch was found by chance, and the jungle's dense, they had no idea of the scale of what might have been below them, so why would they have conveniently found the front door? I still have zero ideas about what it's all for, so I'm just gonna sit tight and let it all unfold in front of me, at least for now. Oooh just one small thing - I think Locke could have been down the hatch once before. Just after Boone's accident, that supper bright light came out of the hatch & after that he went missing for something like 24 hrs. Maybe he was taken down there, by Deasmond ("Are you him?"), if so wonder what happened... if I'm right about the magnet's effect it would make sense that Locke may not be able to remember. Hmmmm, maybe it's also got something to do with why Claire still cant remember anything that happened to her when she was bagged by Ethan... [/shadow]
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Post by GreenFlash on May 11, 2006 15:02:57 GMT
Actually I take it back - I couldn't fight the compulsion to not watch it, and luckily it's come around full circle. It's got quite good, and I'm just curious to see how they're gonna spread it out a third series... looks to be a good un though ^_^
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Post by Captain Ahab on May 12, 2006 9:19:07 GMT
Folks, on LOST forum I use there's a warning, do NOT do any kind of search for Desmond on Wiki if you want to remain spoiler free. If you do check Wiki then you'll come across a spolier concerning later parts of season 2. I haven't done it myself as I don't want to know, thought I'd pass it along.
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Post by VoiceofBetty on May 12, 2006 18:04:14 GMT
Folks, on LOST forum I use there's a warning, do NOT do any kind of search for Desmond on Wiki if you want to remain spoiler free. If you do check Wiki then you'll come across a spolier concerning later parts of season 2. I haven't done it myself as I don't want to know, thought I'd pass it along. [glow=red,2,300]Well now i just HAVE to see what it says....but then i don't care if i spoil myself. Don't worry i'll keep it to myself![/glow]
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Post by Agent 1013 on May 12, 2006 18:20:53 GMT
Don't do it Betty!!
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